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lamia Posted: 03-14-2010 9:50 PM

It's not nice to see the community barely have any updates for the past few months. Not even during Christmas or New Year last year! Some of us might be thinking of posting a topic but then, after typing a few letters we just feel lazy. Some of us may be well past their learning stages and are already applying their knowledge gained. I hope we're not too comfortable right now, not to study the new things that comes to us.

 

I've been active blogging but not about coding. Check my personal blog, I've been doing a personal project which shouldn't been finished last Feb but didn't have enough drive to code. Basically, it's a minimalist ERP product. The app is product of my 4 years experience as a developer. I wasn't able to finish it on time but it's about 70 to 80% complete based on my own specs.

 

Setting up google adsense has been a very good motivator for me to keep blogging. I don't earn anything yet, but I love tracking my earnings. Plus, it was some challenge to set up my blog to support ads.

 

There are some things that I studied but wasn't able to blog about (or not blog much about) along the way. They are Spring, JavaFX and C#.

 

Sometimes I wonder, is devpinoy here to stay? A lot of us has been missing in action. Please give updates about yourselves, I think it's a duty that we keep this community active as much as possible. If you're a new blogger, please post your learning experiences no matter how newbie-ish it might seem. Blogging is teaching. Teaching is to learn twice. If you're a graphic artist, post your graphic artist experiences. If you're a PC Technician, maybe you can post some HOW-TO's? Wag sana tayo maging ningas-kugon (I'm also telling this to myself). Let's show consistency.

 

Btw, congrats to pacman for the win over Joshua Clottey!

 

Salamat po.

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I'm here.

Even while I'm busy working on several projects and with my work (looong travel everyday), I still frequent local forums and message boards - answering programming questions [mostly while I'm on travel].

But there are not much to answer these days, for the following reasons (opinion alert):

1. Many of us are blocking people's enthusiasm by telling asker to "google it", instead of giving them enough answer to "get started". This is a really bad thing to do -- because not only you're driving people out, you are also making yourself look arrogant.
2. While spoon feeding is not good, I like answering thesis/school-project related questions -- we all started as students, so why shut them out? -- sadly other people love shutting these students for whatever reasons they thought correct. Fact is, local forums like devpinoy are frequented by students, and fresh grads. Yeah, we don't encourage spoon feeding, but at least giving them "enough to start" would make these students remember us, and even recommend us to their friends.
3. DevPinoy sadly is full of spam. See the log of who joined, you'll see names like "viagraxx", "selling_good_stuff" etc.
4. People now these days like to hangout on FaceBook instead of going to the forums.
5. The demand in programming career (and may be of all IT) is lower than before.
6. Ebooks are easy to get from a lot of pirate sites, so why bother asking questions if you can get free books?
7. DevPinoy is so slow. I can't load the site using just mobile internet.
8. Keithrull and other gurus are no longer visiting. Dude, where are you?

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Thanks for responding. My thoughts on your points:

 

1. Many of us are blocking people's enthusiasm by telling asker to "google it", instead of giving them enough answer to "get started". This is a really bad thing to do -- because not only you're driving people out, you are also making yourself look arrogant.

Agreed. I was guilty of it too until recently, I found joy in helping these people, especially if it was related to my technologu, Java.

2. While spoon feeding is not good, I like answering thesis/school-project related questions -- we all started as students, so why shut them out? -- sadly other people love shutting these students for whatever reasons they thought correct. Fact is, local forums like devpinoy are frequented by students, and fresh grads. Yeah, we don't encourage spoon feeding, but at least giving them "enough to start" would make these students remember us, and even recommend us to their friends.

Agreed. As a student, I was also frustrated during my thesis times about how more knowledgeable people, as you say, shutted me out. In IRC's, they would love to tell you things like RTFM. We want these students to go through the hard and slow process like we did. In the end, they will only learn the same things we learned. I don't like that. There's no moving forward in that, I want them to learn what I learned before and put something new on top of that.


3. DevPinoy sadly is full of spam. See the log of who joined, you'll see names like "viagraxx", "selling_good_stuff" etc.

What can we possibly do to prevent this? I'm sure Keith all he could to prevent this but he probably needs support from all of us.


4. People now these days like to hangout on FaceBook instead of going to the forums.

Guilty your honor. I joined technology groups in facebook and I'm more active there than here. Speaking of facebook, we should have a facebook fan page (or group)

5. The demand in programming career (and may be of all IT) is lower than before.

Is it? I don't know since I'm not applying. But I think it's starting to surge again.


6. Ebooks are easy to get from a lot of pirate sites, so why bother asking questions if you can get free books?

In contrast, high-quality, reliable, money bang books are nowhere to be found in our local bookstores. Not anymore... Why???

 

7. DevPinoy is so slow. I can't load the site using just mobile internet.

Haven't tried in mobile. Maybe there has to be a special app that loads for mobile? A cutom mobile app for devpinoy... Interesting...

 

8. Keithrull and other gurus are no longer visiting. Dude, where are you?

Miss you guys... Ahihihi.

 

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wala naman masama kung ipoint-out sa isang tao na mag search sya sa google/bing/whatever search engine. after all, that's what we are expected to do in the first place. then post your question here if wala ka talaga makita, or it's something you want to get people's opinion about (e.g. because the particular solutions that can be found by a cursory search may not be immediately applicable, due to context).

let's do our part to cultivate an intelligent community. and i hope we can do something about those spammers. kasi nakakainis na lang, as a moderator i can delete posts but i don't have all day to watch out for them Stick out tongue

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Thanks cruizer, I guess we could make a blog post on how to help people search for what they're looking for? I don't use anything special, basically when I search google and need to search for a certain API class like ArrayList, I would only key in

ArrayList <space> Java

To tell google that I'm searching for anything that matches the keyword ArrayList that is related to Java. I wonder what we can do to help them improve...

I understand that deleting spams can take significant amount of time. I do this in my own blog posts and it is indeed time consuming.

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i think another reason why we have less of those questions is because there are other web sites/web apps that are more suitable for question-and-answer type conversations on tech, like stackoverflow.com or nullpointer.ph

(though nullpointer.ph isn't getting huge traffic) -- kulang siguro sa promotion talaga itong devpinoy...not many people know of it, and even less post useful information here.

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love to read new things here....

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I couldn't agree with you more.

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Sorry guys. I think its my fault that the site had been on a slow drag. I've been busy the past 16 months and have not really had anything relevant to post because of the projects that I had this past few months but i'm back and i need your help. I couldn't agree with you more about how slow the site has been the past few months.. it used to be a good hub for people to talk about things that they are facing in their everyday geek life and the things that drives and motivates them to code better. tip and tricks used to be our google juice back then with some of my new friends coming from the site just because 'i found your solution on devpinoy' deal.

with that said here i am asking for your help. i believe there's still a chance to recover what we started and bring this community back to where it was before... back to the top.

here's what i'm going to do (and currently doing) and hope you guys can chime in as well.

1. i've started to email some of our former gurus to figure out what we need to do in order for us to make devpinoy back to being a community of developers. i've already gotten responses and i think i'll start drawing the timeline on how we can implement each of their suggestions. If you have any thoughts on what needs to be done i'll listen and consider it too. after all, this is a community site and the community should drive the direction on where it should go.

2. i'll update the site to the lastest community server version. this will enable us to have better security and protect us from the spams that we are getting.

3. clean the database and start deleting the spam. yup, we shall not see those viagra ads anymore.

4. start blogging again. yes, i'll do this regularly again. i've been doing some really cool things lately and i'd love to share what i have gained from these new experience. hopefully some of you guys would follow my suit and start blogging again too.

Any more suggestions on how to get us back to our feet? The list on top is just a handful of things that we could do and i do believe that theres a lot more of stuff that we can add. It's time for this tree to earn back its root and bear fruit for the next generation of geeks that will need our guiding light. yes, you and me. the mentors from devpinoy.

 

thanks and God Bless guys!

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Hi Keith,

Its been a long while :)

>> 4. start blogging again. yes, i'll do this regularly again. i've been doing some really cool things lately
>> and i'd love to share what i have gained from these new experience. hopefully some of you guys
>> would follow my suit and start blogging again too.

I too would like to start blogging again, but most of the things I'm doing are low level stuffs that do not capture much interest from people., and some illegal (cracking, loaders, etc) stuffs that I doubt devpinoy would allow Big Smile

Anyway, I'll try to do some file-format analysis soon (with asm/c source code), and probably some multicore/hyperthreading/hypervisor related stuffs...

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i've not blogged much since i got into twitter Stick out tongue

i think my biggest beef with this site is that it's down/inaccessible/unresponsive quite often. in fact i've considered moving my blog somewhere else, but i didn't because of the hassle (and syempre mas gusto ko pa rin yung "devpinoy.org" domain!). if we can solve downtime issues, i think that'll help in making this community more vibrant and reliable.

in an email to keith i suggested having a facebook fan page or something. i know it might sound jologs to some of you (in fact i don't get to visit facebook that often anymore, though i visit it more often than i do Friendster!) but i think it can bring in some users into the community. most likely these are gonna be newbies and students. on the other hand, we also have to do something to bring/keep in the experts in the community like jaredpogi, chris vega, miguel paraz and the like. pag puro newbies ang nandito baka mag-alisan yun mga venerable experts natin.

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Thanks for the response Keith.

My suggestions:

1. Like they say, a facebook fan or group page

2. Somewhere we can post a "blog request"  or "article request" for other users to ask other users what to blog about.

3. I'm not sure, I've only used adsense gadget to use google adsense in my blog. But if we could make gadget management easier, that would be something really nice (but I don't see this as a priority).

4. Yes, speed. I asked my brother to register here so he could blog about his experiences as a student learning programming but the immediate response was:  "Maya nalang, down yung site, I think maintenance stuff".

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Thanks Lamia!

I'll be making the site offline next for a few days to do the cleanup and upgrade. I'm currently waiting for our community license from Telligent so we can do the upgrade but while waiting for them i'll start purging the data. The webhost migration is also on the way. I'm just waiting for my current host to re-enable our control panel since they are also doing their own set of migration which i hope would make the site a lot more responsive.

Thanks for your patience guys. We are moving to the right direction this time and we'll make sure that its a straight path going up.

Regards,

keith

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Wow! Up na ulit! One suggestion I can have is to replace the Java Section with "Code the Talk" section. Which is basically a small apps showcase/gallery. I know a lot of pinoy devs has been banging codes for the enterprise which made them noobs for writing simple, meaningful (if not useful) executable apps that other users can download, install, tinker, criticize and rate in their PCs. Well, this is it. No matter how well-versed you are in OOP, TDD, Agile or whatever buzzword sh*T is out there, if you can't package an executable code for us to try on, it means you're not a programmer, you're only compelled/instructed to learn the stuff you're currently doing, you're NOTHING! YOU ARE NOTHING! How's that for a rule? :)

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That is good suggestion Jared. And you mean apps that we could use in a day to day basis right? Hmmm...

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